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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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[Applause]

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 711

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for the 22nd of may 2022.

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lots of double numbers in there

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we have a new government here in

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australia last night

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the election results came in

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and many of us were glued to our tv sets

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to watch the the results

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and uh i will say that my local

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is will will be by tomorrow i think the

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new prime minister congratulations to

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anthony albanese and it might interest

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you to know those of you who remember

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the old days of the think tank we used

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to have on the skeptic zone and we do

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sometimes still have that

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where we used to get together at the

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club at the end of the street well

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that's exactly where the labor party and

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anthony albanese held their victory

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their victory celebrations

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coming up on this week's show

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[Music]

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they're back

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unidentified flying objects uaps

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whatever you want to call them have they

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ever really gone away no they have not

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really gone away

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they're just not so interesting anymore

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they've had their chance honestly aliens

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in my humble opinion i think that aliens

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anyway we're going to hear about

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yet another official ufo investigation

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this time in the halls of the us

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congress and something that occurred to

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is the phrase from that movie that movie

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a few good men

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you can't handle the truth

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can you handle the truth find out at the

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top of the show

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following that it's the australian

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skeptic's newsletter read once again

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from canada but this time

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by a guest breeder

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troy hill

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probably a distant relation to um adrian

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hill as in

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her son will read this week's newsletter

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and uh i wonder if troy will live up to

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out with australian skeptics newsletter

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a bit later on

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then to round off the show a dive back

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into those digital archives from around

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the world those news clippings magazines

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an evergreen like ufos really we have

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listening you never miss the show

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and if you haven't seen science friction

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this week's show notes and the most

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mr burchette however warned he does not

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have faith in the upcoming congressional

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hearing believing that whatever the u.s

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knows will

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continue to be covered up by

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institutions in washington dc

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now that's not a conspiracy theory at

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all no no of course not and he said full

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disclosure that revealed evidence of

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alien life visiting earth could change

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the world

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no doubt

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saying he believes it would help people

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put terrestrial differences to bed

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um

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that's debatable maybe

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he said it would do away with the quote

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bogeyman from overseas end quote his

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view is an echo of the 1987 speech by us

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president ronald reagan who famously

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said

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this world mr burchette believes the

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public quote

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needs to know

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then quote the truth about what is going

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on with the ufos

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and just remember that ufos the term

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ufos

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is simply equated with most people

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with uh alien spaceships and not it's

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true meaning unidentified flying objects

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and he says

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all we do is cover up

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let's just be transparent what is wrong

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with telling the world and saying we've

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got this we are going to share it and we

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can figure out what it is together

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well the problem with that is if there's

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nothing there to begin with mate

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he said i don't think a lot is going to

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come from the hearings

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it's bringing in the people who create

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the problem to fix a problem

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this this is just pure conspiracy

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theorist talking

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he blasted recent bogus pentagon reports

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on ufos

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as being like swiss cheese due to the

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amount of redactions mr bertscher said

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we need full disclosure this is

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what we know and this is what we don't

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know

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we can and should do better

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this is an old story i mean this this

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this thinking this they're hiding

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everything from us they won't tell us

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the truth this is just recycled

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from decades and decades well it has

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been recycled over the decades by

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conspiracy theorists the issue also

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stretches beyond the united states with

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the congressman adding he has heard

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russia and china are also interested in

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the ufo topic having had their own

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encounters

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is this is this report from the 50s and

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the 60s and the 70s honestly

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ah

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he said he does not believe the objects

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are advanced technology from moscow

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or beijing as some have suggested well i

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think if moscow had that technology they

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wouldn't be blundering as badly as they

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are at the moment

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and he added there is still a lot of

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resistance among politicians who don't

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want to touch the issue with a 10-foot

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pole for political reasons he said i

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don't care if they abuse me i think the

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american people need to know

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oh come on this is really from the 70s

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isn't it

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he said i even put out a t-shirt on my

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website saying more people believe in

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ufos than in congress

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oh what a card this man is

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however mr batchette added he

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does believe the stigma around

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discussing ufos is starting to break

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down

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this is this is the old thing

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yeah we've heard this for decades and

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decades and they laugh at us you know oh

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you people who don't believe in ufos you

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skeptics you mock us and you know you

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bully us and you belittle us

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it's it's um something we've heard again

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and again it's the same thing we hear

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from the scam psychics out there and so

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on

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and he called for a blanket amnesty for

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officials currently restricted by

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non-disclosure agreements from talking

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about ufos

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mr burchette told the sun online the

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game-changing moment in the ufo debate

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was the u.s navy videos the same ones

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my friend the same ones that have been

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thoroughly analyzed and explained

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and he has personally spoken to u.s

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pilots who have encountered the

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mysterious phenomena he said the only

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reason we are talking about this right

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now is the leaked u.s navy videos and

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the pilots who saw them he said and the

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same ones here

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we know

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he said i've talked to other pilots as

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well who have seen things and these

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people are some of the best in the world

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and very patriotic

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well that'll do it

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these are people in their 20s who are

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very confident in their abilities a lot

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of them just laughed about it as they

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simply had no control

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it's wild stuff the objects turn on a

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dime and accelerate at an incredible

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rate with no heat trail it's miraculous

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the congressman believes there can only

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be two explanations for the encounters

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either it is of alien origin

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or it could be us black technology

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but he is doubtful of latter due to the

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ways the objects appear to move

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he told the sun online according to our

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technology a human couldn't survive

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inside that he would be turned into a

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catcher packet he says there is no heat

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from the front end from friction or at

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the back from propulsion which is

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obviously something we currently can't

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do or and can't control

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and he doesn't believe what some experts

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have suggested that the revelations

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about alien life could damage society

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and the world's religions

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in god's vast universe

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if you think we are the best god can do

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you hold god in low esteem even if you

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believe in god there must be something

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else out there we can't just be it

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infinity

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is a long way

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the congressman said he has been

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interested in ufos since the 1970s well

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me too

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and he said there have been reports of

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strange objects in the sky since the

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dawn of humankind pointing to examples

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in the bible and in ancient egypt

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no he's not a conspiracy theorist at all

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this week the house intelligence counter

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terrorism

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counter-intelligence and

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counter-proliferation sub-committee is

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holding a landmark public hearing on

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ufos

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ronald s mout-tree i think that's

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pronounced under secretary of defense

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for intelligence and security and scott

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w bray deputy director of naval

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intelligence will both answer questions

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on the highly controversial topic

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hopefully they'll set him straight u.s

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congressman andre carson the committee's

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chairman said the american people expect

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and deserve their leaders in government

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and intelligence to seriously evaluate

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and respond to any potential national

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security risks especially those

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which we do not fully understand

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fair enough and so they should

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us congressman adam schiff added there's

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still much to learn about uap

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and the potential risks they may pose to

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our national security he describes the

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issue as

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quote one of the greatest mysteries of

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our time in quote and said he hopes to

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quote break the cycle of excessive

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security and speculation with truth and

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transparency end quote

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what is going on with ufos in the united

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states ufos have stepped from the fringe

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conspiracy theories to a genuine

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national security debate in the us

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well

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pentagon officials took the

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unprecedented step to confirm a trio of

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remarkable videos which showed us

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encounters with ufos

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uh and i'll just say the fact that this

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story is not reporting what they really

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are as analyzed by mick west and others

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it means that um

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it's just a it's just a sexy story as

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they say it's it's a great story aliens

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and things in the sky why bother

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why bother bursting this bubble

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the debate is still open as to what the

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phenomenon caught on film were but it

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made clear to everyone something is in

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the skies

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the most striking was a video known as

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tic tac named due to its shape which

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showed an unidentified object being

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pursued by fighter planes the u.s also

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confirmed the existence of advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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aatip

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a 12 million dollar pentagon program set

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up to study ufos

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before being disbanded in 2012.

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eventually it was replaced by the uap

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task force in june 2020 after a vote

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by the u.s senate intelligence committee

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and again fair enough i mean if you know

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there's genuine concern about objects in

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the sky which

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they don't know about then they should

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be investigated fair enough

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any

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country would do that in the uh

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interests of national security defense

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chiefs since confirmed a number of

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leaked ufo videos and photos which were

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submitted to the task force for

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investigation

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why this sudden rash for transparency no

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one outside the secretive wings of the

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us government currently knows for sure

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and as a tact on addendum to the

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500 page covert relief bill passed in

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december the director of national

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intelligence office was ordered to

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compile a report on ufos within 180 days

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the uap report dropped as expected on

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june 25 and while not giving much away

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it did not rule anything out either as

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much of it remains classified the u.s

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have acknowledged that ufos

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or whatever they are

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jet airliners are real and a potential

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threat to national security as they

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appear to be able to enter restricted

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airspace with total impunity

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barack obama and bill clinton have both

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discussed the topic and seem to

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acknowledge something is going on a

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massive turnaround from previous total

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denial the government had

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regarding anything to do with ufos is it

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aliens

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officially the us position is simply we

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don't know yet

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this article originally appeared on the

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u.s sun

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and is reproduced with permission and

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i'll certainly link to that

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original article

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courtesy of the u.s sun and if i click

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over there right now

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the first three images at the top of the

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page are the same three images

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from the videos which mick west has so

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thoroughly analyzed and explained

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so what can we expect from this

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investigation i wonder

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well if they do their jobs properly and

571
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somebody explains to the committee

572
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,440
exactly what these things are as uh

573
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,600
analyzed by skeptical groups and

574
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scientific groups

575
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then i expect the conclusions to be made

576
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,720
public and

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they are

578
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,559
reasonably mundane i guess

579
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,400
but of course

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00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,159
that will only add to the

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the feelings and the certainty of the

582
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conspiracy theorists that these things

583
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,000
are being covered up and the truth is

584
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,240
still being hidden and what are they

585
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,720
hiding from us and of course they're not

586
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,520
just

587
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:41,360
jet airliners they must be alien

588
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,440
technology and on and on and on it goes

589
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,520
it's a pity that with everything going

590
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,520
on with society at the moment around the

591
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world and in the us

592
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that money can be

593
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:54,240
well

594
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:54,960
i

595
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on such

596
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,120
such a committee after all these years

597
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:03,200
and the more time goes by the more i

598
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,530
consider ufos

599
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,760
[Music]

600
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spaceships from other planets visiting

601
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,200
earth

602
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more and more a relic of decades gone by

603
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,799
a relic of our society a cultural

604
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,159
phenomenon

605
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,480
but they're still going on so this

606
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:21,039
cultural phenomenon still exists

607
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,799
and it is a uh almost a perfect storm

608
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to feed

609
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,590
and again links in this week's show

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notes to the original item

611
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and links to mcquest's elegant breakdown

612
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[Laughter]

613
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,190
hey everyone this is professor dave i

614
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want to teach you about all kinds of

615
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things regarding science i want to tell

616
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:16,559
you about physics i want to tell you

617
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about chemistry biology astronomy math

618
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,720
and many many more things come check me

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out on youtube the channel is called

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[Music]

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00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,760
hello everyone it's troy hill a

622
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replacement canadian filling in for

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adrian to read the highlights from the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 148. you can

626
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subscribe to this newsletter and get it

627
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,440
delivered to your inbox every other week

628
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complete with links to all the stories

629
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but now let's get to the newsletter and

630
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see what tim mandum has lined up for us

631
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,320
hi all says tim australia just had a

632
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general election yesterday so naturally

633
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,320
there are stories about psychic crocs

634
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,480
choosing leaders and astrology's take on

635
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the date and candidates needless to say

636
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:31,200
we don't have any of that nonsense here

637
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,039
just geller's rat and naughty ghosts

638
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,200
but we wonder how many psychics and

639
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:38,720
seers out there predicted the labour

640
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,880
party would win maybe not too surprising

641
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,240
read on

642
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:45,279
tim

643
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[Music]

644
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
experience of those who underwent gay

645
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conversion therapy

646
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,960
three australians who underwent

647
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,279
conversion therapy to change their

648
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,200
sexual orientation say there is nothing

649
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,039
therapeutic about it and call for a

650
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,600
national ban on the practice two states

651
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,919
and one territory have already done so

652
00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:12,400
victoria queensland and the australian

653
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[Music]

654
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paranormal beliefs and cognitive

655
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function

656
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,799
a paper looks at 71 studies spread over

657
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40 years that explored a range of

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cognitive functions such as reasoning

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ability thinking style and memory

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overall the findings align with the

661
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,000
hypothesis that beliefs in paranormal

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00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,840
phenomena are associated with

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differences or deficits in cognitive

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function for example a particularly

665
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,320
consistent link was found between

666
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,399
paranormal beliefs and an intuitive

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00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,840
thinking style

668
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,000
is that a deficit

669
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,760
however the paper says that there were

670
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,600
some methodological issues with the

671
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,720
studies

672
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,190
prayers in parliament canadian style eh

673
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,039
members of british columbia's parliament

674
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recently voted against a motion that

675
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,320
would have abolished the practice of

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opening daily sessions of the house of

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commons with prayer

678
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,039
nevertheless secularists are pledging to

679
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,880
continue the fight to end the practice

680
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:17,760
of legislative prayers bc humanists are

681
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,039
urging people to email their mps

682
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
the same thing happens in australia the

683
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
lord's prayer is recited before each day

684
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,840
which must impress muslims jews hindus

685
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,559
buddhists confucians taoists animists

686
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and atheists

687
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,640
[Music]

688
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,640
how did we fall for the junk science of

689
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
forensics

690
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,320
from polygraphs to bite marks this

691
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,159
article looks at a book that quote

692
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,480
carefully and unarguably explains that

693
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,240
almost every forensic science is

694
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,039
unreliable and most are entirely bogus

695
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,320
end quote

696
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,320
and not just polygraphs but arson

697
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,799
investigation hair microscopy bullet

698
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,120
lead analysis voice spectrometry

699
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,840
handwriting and bloodstain spatter

700
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,440
analysis

701
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:03,279
one area that does work is the book

702
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,360
author's own specialty dna analysis

703
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,760
also brian dunning over at the skeptoid

704
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,480
podcast covered much of the same story

705
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,080
see episode number 821 from march 1st

706
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,470
does psychic ability use radio waves

707
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:25,909
not sure if this article on an

708
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,720
experiment in 1977 should be down in the

709
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,559
bottom section of the newsletter but it

710
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,320
concerns the search for a submerged

711
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,320
wreck using psychic messages from remote

712
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,399
viewers hundreds of miles away

713
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,720
quote if you ever wanted the one thing

714
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,720
that provided proof of psychic ability

715
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,799
this experiment was as close to ideal as

716
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,960
you could possibly find there is very

717
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,640
little to no ambiguity and there is

718
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,960
almost nothing for skeptics to contest

719
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:50,960
end quote

720
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,799
maybe down at the bottom after all

721
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,320
we're kicking into production of the

722
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june issue of the magazine with a

723
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special feature on the use and abuse of

724
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science by pseudoscience riding on the

725
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coattails of those who know by those

726
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,760
that don't

727
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,399
but in the meantime the march 2022 issue

728
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,640
of the skeptic is out and it features a

729
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,799
look at the ticks and tactics of

730
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,640
high-level athletes to improve their

731
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,399
performance a combination of

732
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,399
superstition and pseudoscience that is

733
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,039
nonetheless very influential on fans and

734
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,200
would-be champions

735
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,520
you can read that ticks and tactics

736
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:27,520
piece as a sample article from the march

737
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,279
issue by visiting skeptics.com.au

738
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:33,360
and if you haven't subscribed yet now is

739
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,149
naughty ghosts one

740
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,000
ghost hunter stalked by violent spirit

741
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,320
the ghost who won't go away moves things

742
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,320
around gets aggressive and pushes the

743
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,360
ghost hunter down some stairs

744
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,000
naughty ghosts too

745
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:56,240
this next item took place in scotland so

746
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,030
i will adjust my reading accordingly

747
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,600
[Music]

748
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,840
psychic claims ghost violated him

749
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,919
psychic ghost hunter claims he was

750
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,480
violated by a ghost while visiting an

751
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,720
historic jail in scotland

752
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,799
he felt what he described as an

753
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,240
embarrassing and not pleasant experience

754
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:16,320
whatever happened to casper the friendly

755
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,920
ghost

756
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:19,600
[Music]

757
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,070
five minute interview on youtube that

758
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,480
draws everything into one package

759
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:30,960
psychic powers energies bad vibes

760
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,240
numerology astrology everything that is

761
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:37,360
except friday the 13th being significant

762
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:41,360
and the origin story is dubious

763
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:44,840
uk lottery winners go ghost

764
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,600
hunting they won the lottery gave up

765
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,919
their jobs and went hunting

766
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,320
and if you won 10 000 pounds a month for

767
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:54,320
the next 30 years what would you spend

768
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,279
it on

769
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,200
obviously go to every skeptics

770
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,039
convention around the world starting

771
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:00,799
with the next australian skeptics

772
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,200
convention in november details soon

773
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,519
elusive rat on psychics remote scottish

774
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,480
island

775
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,799
wait scottish

776
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,279
volunteers made 35 trips to get rid of a

777
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,039
rat from the small scottish island that

778
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,760
yuri geller bought in 2008. the obvious

779
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,159
question why was the rat so elusive

780
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,000
couldn't gel or use his psychic powers

781
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:23,840
to point out where it was or at least

782
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,470
bend it to his will

783
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,080
[Music]

784
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,240
well i've run out of time a polar bear

785
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,399
is attempting to invade my house until

786
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:37,039
next time if richard will let me back

787
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:39,110
this is troy hill

788
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,789
dr harriet hall md

789
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,600
known to thousands as the skeptoc a

790
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,159
retired family physician and former air

791
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,720
force flight surgeon she writes about

792
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,120
medicine so-called complementary and

793
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,000
alternative medicine science quackery

794
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,320
and critical thinking

795
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:20,799
harriet now has a free course a series

796
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,360
of 10 video lectures on science-based

797
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,240
medicine and alternative medicine

798
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,240
the videos and an accompanying course

799
00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:30,480
guide can be found by following the link

800
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,480
at

801
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,320
skipdoc.info or by visiting

802
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:37,279
web.randy.org

803
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,919
educational dash modules dot html

804
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,240
topics covered in the series are

805
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,080
science-based medicine versus

806
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,840
evidence-based medicine

807
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,360
what is cam

808
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,799
chiropractic acupuncture homeopathy

809
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,360
naturopathy and herbal medicine

810
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:57,200
energy medicine miscellaneous

811
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,559
alternatives pitfalls in research and

812
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,120
science-based medicine in the media and

813
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,880
politics

814
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,720
harriet covers each topic in a

815
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,280
matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that's

816
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:11,839
sure to educate and entertain

817
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:16,080
skeptdoc dot info

818
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,990
now it's time once again to head to

819
00:34:39,149 --> 00:34:36,560
those digital archives from around the

820
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,159
world normally it's trove at

821
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,879
trove.nla.gov.u but this week we're

822
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,800
going further afield

823
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,720
once again to the united states and

824
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,720
looking at some of the newspapers there

825
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,800
and another classic of skepticism and

826
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,879
skeptical investigation

827
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:52,399
that old chestnut

828
00:35:03,430 --> 00:34:54,170
psychic detectives

829
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,440
who

830
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,680
claim first of all they have psychic or

831
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:07,200
paranormal power

832
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,000
and

833
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,440
further claim they use this

834
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,560
extraordinary power to aid assist police

835
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,400
in solving crimes

836
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,240
whereas as far as we can tell from our

837
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,480
investigations and other investigations

838
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,320
worldwide i'm thinking of my friend ben

839
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,520
radford

840
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,160
these people

841
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,720
can be well meaning but ultimately they

842
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,119
hinder police with their inquiries they

843
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,680
don't help they hinder they delay police

844
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,000
investigations they send police on wild

845
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,800
goose chases they provide

846
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:39,280
irrelevant information and a quick look

847
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,520
at psychic detective on wikipedia says

848
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,200
a psychic detective is a person who

849
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,640
investigates crimes by using purported

850
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,040
paranormal psychic abilities examples

851
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,520
have included postcognition the

852
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,079
paranormal perception of the past

853
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:58,640
psychometry information gained from

854
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,320
objects telepathy dowsing clairvoyance

855
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,800
and remote viewing in murder cases

856
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,280
psychic detectives may purport to be in

857
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,920
communication with the spirits of murder

858
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,119
victims

859
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,760
and the page lists prominent cases where

860
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,240
psychic detectives those called psychic

861
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,800
detectives have been used

862
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,800
and the skeptical

863
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:23,520
uh rebuttal and response from people

864
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,599
like joe nickel ben radford uh banach of

865
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,359
course steve shaw

866
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,160
and indeed one of the people mentioned

867
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,160
here is the

868
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:37,200
subject of our first clipping

869
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:38,240
a

870
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:42,960
renee

871
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:48,000
have solved the murder of kimberly

872
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,040
mcandrew who was murdered august 12 1989

873
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,200
six years after mcandrew went missing

874
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,760
the halifax regional police hired renee

875
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,240
to help renea gave the police three

876
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,240
interviews which were recorded and

877
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,560
obtained for review

878
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,680
by tampa bay skeptic's founder gary p

879
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,720
posner

880
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,240
using psychometry rainier claimed to

881
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,400
channel the murder victim

882
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,480
after a long analysis of the tapes

883
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,040
posner states that renia took the

884
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,160
detective's quote on a wild goose chase

885
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,280
end quote

886
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,440
all rainier's statements were misleading

887
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,520
vague or incoherent

888
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,599
never leading to anything solid that

889
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,119
could be verified

890
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,200
rania assured the police that the body

891
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,880
would be found before christmas saying

892
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,400
it would be

893
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,320
quote a nice christmas present for

894
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,119
everybody end quote as of 2018 the body

895
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,760
of kimberly mcandrew has not been

896
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,079
discovered and nothing that renia said

897
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:47,839
on the three recordings

898
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,200
has assisted the police in any way

899
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,960
recordings of

900
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,839
noreen rania can be found here

901
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,240
and there is a link well why don't we

902
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,440
play

903
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,160
just a quick snippet a quick example

904
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,880
of one of the recordings and i think

905
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,240
it'll give you

906
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,880
a better understanding so let me play

907
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,800
that now

908
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,359
maybe some thinning or some lightness in

909
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,560
it i don't know

910
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,440
uh what that is but i feel that i feel

911
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,880
short neck

912
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,599
around the person i feel more

913
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,920
full or roundedness

914
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,880
uh in in the face itself

915
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,760
uh there's no scar and injury of

916
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,240
birthmark beauty mark imperfection on

917
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,079
the face

918
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,280
itself

919
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,520
eyebrows would be thick

920
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:40,960
uh uh thick more bushy

921
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:44,640
uh more upward upwardness

922
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,560
eye itself would be small maybe uh a

923
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:50,880
little indentation

924
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,160
uh nose would be short but some with

925
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,079
some width to it

926
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,640
our mouth would be wide

927
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,000
a chin would be strong but short

928
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,920
face would be broad

929
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,079
ears would be open

930
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,359
full you can see them big uh away from

931
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:11,200
the head

932
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:12,400
uh

933
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,470
that's it okay stop okay

934
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:24,720
let's do it again

935
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,069
i think we're doing all right i think

936
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,720
you're doing great

937
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,040
so there you go it's um it's almost

938
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,359
bordering on rambling just vague

939
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,920
descriptions and

940
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,880
sometimes that's all the police get and

941
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,400
there have been times where police will

942
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,079
get lots and lots of information like

943
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,839
this and cherry pick the bits that seem

944
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,440
to fit the case and then they'll say

945
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,200
that's amazing the psychic knew about

946
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,720
the case

947
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,400
it's just human nature we've seen it

948
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,960
again and again and again and it's

949
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,359
almost worth commenting that police as

950
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,760
part of their training at the academy

951
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:05,119
should be

952
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:12,079
sort of uh psychic interference shall we

953
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,040
say

954
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,440
and not fall for the um the cherry

955
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,680
picking and the confirmation bias but

956
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,839
let's turn to the pages of the altoona

957
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:22,319
mirror published on the 23rd of

958
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,920
september 2005 altoona being in

959
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,760
pennsylvania

960
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,720
under the banner the sixth sense

961
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,119
virginia psychic offers information into

962
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,640
death of cambria county teen

963
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,599
by phil ray staff writer

964
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:42,800
kathy yana of loretto was near tears

965
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,680
thursday as she explained how a psychic

966
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,240
detective gave her hope that police may

967
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,200
find her son's killer i am praying there

968
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
will be accountability for the person

969
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,839
who took my son's life jana said outside

970
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,240
the altoona hotel where coroners from

971
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,240
across pennsylvania met

972
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,720
the coroners had heard from a psychic

973
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:05,680
detective who reportedly has provided

974
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,240
clues in 400 cases in 38 states and six

975
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:12,640
foreign countries the psychic noreen

976
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,480
renee of lynchburg virginia was asked by

977
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,760
jana

978
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,680
and her family to look into the death of

979
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,520
her son calvin

980
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,319
shot on the front porch of a farmhouse

981
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:27,599
july 10 2003. the state trooper visited

982
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,440
the scene asked several young men what

983
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,839
occurred and based on their statements

984
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,720
ruled the death of suicide kathy yardner

985
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,200
did not believe that story saying that

986
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,599
her 17 year old son was planning his

987
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,880
future with his girlfriend

988
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,440
and we turned that was page one and we

989
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,200
turned to page five where the story

990
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,000
continues under the

991
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,880
heading police and courts then it says

992
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,079
psychic

993
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,359
woman uses victims personal items during

994
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,760
reading so that's psychometry of course

995
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,240
and the story continues blair county

996
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:06,960
coroner patricia ross and chief deputy

997
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,000
coroner jeffrey a gaia didn't believe

998
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
the suicide story either

999
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,400
they concluded and a coroner's jury

1000
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,200
agreed that it was impossible for the

1001
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,200
young man to shoot himself as described

1002
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,680
by witnesses while the shooting occurred

1003
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,440
in cambria county

1004
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,920
ross handled the death because calvin

1005
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,800
jana died at altoona regional health

1006
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,599
system altoona hospital campus

1007
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,200
state police from

1008
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,720
ebensberg

1009
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,760
and cambria county's district attorney

1010
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,000
haven't adopted the coroner's ruling

1011
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,240
they are sticking with suicide kathy

1012
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,280
yarner said thursday that renee's review

1013
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,520
of the case confirmed that her son's

1014
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,680
death wasn't suicide

1015
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,520
then i'll just stop there to say that is

1016
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:52,480
very

1017
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,349
somebody who claims to have psychic

1018
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,119
powers

1019
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,280
is giving advice to grieving parents

1020
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,800
like that

1021
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,520
renee gave several clues as to whom she

1022
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,160
said fire the shots when shown a picture

1023
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,560
she picked out who she says

1024
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:13,839
is the killer kafiyana said the

1025
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,480
information was given to the fbi and

1026
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,800
that it would also be forwarded to

1027
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,599
cambria county authorities but she said

1028
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,599
we've had a little cooperation from law

1029
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,480
enforcement kathiana would not identify

1030
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:29,440
the person renea described as her son's

1031
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,520
killer and neither renee nor yana

1032
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,240
would discuss the clues renea provided

1033
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,680
what we hope will happen is

1034
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,000
accountability for who took my son's

1035
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,880
life kathy yana said as of thursday

1036
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,520
cambria officials hadn't received the

1037
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,880
new information

1038
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,440
assistant district attorney patrick

1039
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,440
kinnery of cambria county said that

1040
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:53,359
cambrie officials issued their

1041
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,680
conclusions in the case august 12 2004

1042
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,160
and no new evidence has altered that

1043
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:01,680
view

1044
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,960
psychic talks to coroners

1045
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,599
rania spoke to coroners deputy coroners

1046
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,760
and police officers in the ballroom of

1047
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,480
the

1048
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,920
ramada in altoona discussing how she

1049
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,240
became a psychic detective specializing

1050
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,680
in murder and missing persons cases many

1051
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,000
of her cases have been featured on court

1052
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,520
tv

1053
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,160
reneer wasn't always a psychic but she

1054
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,960
discovered her abilities 30 years ago as

1055
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,040
a divorced mother of two working in

1056
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:32,480
public relations

1057
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,319
she says she was involved in meditation

1058
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,560
when she heard a voice

1059
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,800
she experienced a surge of energy her

1060
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,960
hands became hot and she relayed a

1061
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,200
message to another woman from a

1062
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,440
long deceased grandmother

1063
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,280
she began to practice and develop her

1064
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,400
psychic abilities rene's reputation grew

1065
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,119
when she began working on a case of a

1066
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
serial rapist she predicted the rapist

1067
00:45:03,190 --> 00:44:59,520
was an individual involved in something

1068
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,200
that went quote round and round end

1069
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,400
quote wearing a uniform with a scar on

1070
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,680
his leg

1071
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,359
she predicted in november that the

1072
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,040
suspect would be arrested before

1073
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,200
christmas the rapist was a driver of a

1074
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,839
cement truck and wore matching work

1075
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,480
pants and shirt he was arrested before

1076
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,200
christmas renia said she did not solve

1077
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,240
the case but was able to provide clues

1078
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,640
the psychic said she uses a personal

1079
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,800
item like a ring from the victim that

1080
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:31,520
inspires her visions in the case of

1081
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:35,359
calvinyana she used a necklace he wore

1082
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,280
often now further investigation on the

1083
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,880
the case of this poor young fellow

1084
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,280
calvin timothy yana

1085
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:45,680
reveals that

1086
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,280
that the case remains a mystery

1087
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,920
but i cannot see any

1088
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,839
any description here of anybody who has

1089
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,160
been charged with the murder

1090
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,319
and i'm finding other accounts of the

1091
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:00,640
same story where the uh

1092
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,480
the mother turned to um

1093
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,640
to renew

1094
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,760
i i

1095
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,680
i'm not surprised i mean you can

1096
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,839
understand if this poor young man took

1097
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,839
his life it would be

1098
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,480
hardly surprising the parents would

1099
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,599
would not want to accept that but again

1100
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,720
as far as i can see the case still

1101
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,440
is

1102
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,200
not clear

1103
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
unless many many cases like this remain

1104
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,400
unsolved

1105
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:33,599
but now we'll turn to the times record

1106
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,520
from 1977 on october the 14th

1107
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
and

1108
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,400
this appears to be a newspaper from new

1109
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,280
york

1110
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,440
and on page nine

1111
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,480
sight

1112
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,160
makes him lonely

1113
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,440
by lisa robert staff writer colony

1114
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,480
he sees himself as getting tired and

1115
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,359
older being dogged persistently by those

1116
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,040
seeking his help

1117
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,599
the loneliest man in the world

1118
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,760
yet peter hercos

1119
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,119
considered by experts to be the world's

1120
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:06,960
foremost psychic

1121
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,920
with his power his gift for helping

1122
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:10,800
people

1123
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,599
and his fame the man himself

1124
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,920
could be considered one of the world's

1125
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,480
most fascinating men

1126
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,960
hercos who gained fame in this country

1127
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,040
and abroad as a psychic detective

1128
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,040
working on cases involving missing

1129
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,760
persons and murder victims recently

1130
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,400
completed work on a film

1131
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,359
now i lay me down to sleep in which he

1132
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,599
played himself a psychic detective

1133
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,880
helping to solve murders in ann arbor

1134
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,400
michigan

1135
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,520
taking time from a work schedule

1136
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,359
that takes him to all corners of the

1137
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,359
globe he relaxed with friends in their

1138
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,680
colony east apartment and spoke about

1139
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,200
his life which was radically changed

1140
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,079
following an accident in 1941

1141
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,079
suffering from a brain injury when he

1142
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,880
fell from a ladder in his native holland

1143
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,040
he lay unconscious for days in a

1144
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,119
hospital in the hague

1145
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,240
when he regained consciousness he had

1146
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,680
developed a talent for seeing into the

1147
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,240
past present and future

1148
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,839
where he saw the unseen and new

1149
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,359
the unknown

1150
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,040
using his new

1151
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,640
found gift

1152
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,680
hercos

1153
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,880
now 66 a large man with piercing eyes

1154
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,520
and slightly graying dark hair

1155
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,400
became involved in solving such famous

1156
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,599
murder cases as the boston strangler

1157
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:38,720
the sharon tate multiple murders and the

1158
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:42,160
case of ronald hughes the missing manson

1159
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,559
lawyer as well as that of the an arbor

1160
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,119
co-ed murders upon which his latest

1161
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,119
movie was based

1162
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:53,440
with an intense look on his face hercos

1163
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,559
said that he was called into that case

1164
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:59,280
following the murder of several coeds in

1165
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,400
the city

1166
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,520
using his method psychometry the ability

1167
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,160
to visualize past associations of

1168
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,960
physical objects by touching the object

1169
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,200
hookos determined that the killer was a

1170
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,680
man named joe

1171
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:15,359
six foot two

1172
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,200
and drove stolen motorcycles

1173
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,079
accurate in most of his information

1174
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,559
it was the killer himself who called

1175
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,040
hercos telling him that his name was

1176
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,359
john and threatened that if the psychic

1177
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,920
detective did not leave town

1178
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,559
another coed would be murdered another

1179
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:35,520
coed

1180
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:39,440
was murdered but through hercule's work

1181
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,319
police were able to apprehend the killer

1182
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,040
really that's a mighty big claim

1183
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,040
working on the sharon tate murder

1184
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,920
brought the crime closer to home for the

1185
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:53,200
psychic

1186
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,240
included in the mass murders at the tate

1187
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,520
mansion

1188
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,160
was jay sebring a hollywood hairstylist

1189
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,000
who did hercos hair

1190
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,400
and was a personal friend searching the

1191
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,559
house after the murders the psychic

1192
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,280
detective discovered contrabands which

1193
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,920
had been overlooked by the police this

1194
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,839
discovery and her cross powers led the

1195
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,319
police to the charles manson cult who

1196
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,880
were later convicted for the murder a

1197
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,359
case which brought him most notably into

1198
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,720
the public eye

1199
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,079
was that of the boston strangler in

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00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,240
which 13 people were killed

1201
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,319
most recently the psychic detective was

1202
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:32,720
asked to help the new york city police

1203
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:36,559
in searching for the .44 caliber killer

1204
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,440
in the

1205
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,680
son of sam

1206
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,400
murder cases contacted by the city's

1207
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,760
secretary

1208
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,079
to the mayor to help in the search

1209
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,440
hercos told the city officials that the

1210
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,319
killer

1211
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,200
who had stalked the city's boroughs was

1212
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:56,480
about to be apprehended four days later

1213
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:00,079
david berkowitz allegedly son of sam was

1214
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,280
captured

1215
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,040
use of his gift once involved his family

1216
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,440
hercus looking into the future

1217
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,359
so that one of his daughters would fall

1218
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:11,760
to her death near the family's wine

1219
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,880
cellar while the foreseeing of the

1220
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:17,680
incident was accurate it was hercus who

1221
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,280
was to fall down the nine feet into the

1222
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,910
hearing his daughter near the cellar's

1223
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,800
entrance the psychic raced out only to

1224
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,680
fall

1225
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,760
losing one of his right fingers in the

1226
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,920
incident

1227
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,079
while leading a life which has brought

1228
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,960
him fame fortune and the envy

1229
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,319
of people

1230
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,079
focus sees the other side of the glamour

1231
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,720
which makes him quote the loneliest man

1232
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,400
in the world end quote

1233
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:50,960
clutching his cigar in his fingers and

1234
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,599
wearing a tired expression on his face

1235
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,319
the psychic said that his work has made

1236
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,280
him lonelier and separated him from his

1237
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,000
family often when i am away working on

1238
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,160
cases which i have to go underground i

1239
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,240
can't even communicate with my family

1240
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,040
during these times he said in his heavy

1241
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,079
dark accent or my approximation of it it

1242
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,319
makes it very hard when i'm working on

1243
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,400
cases my wife worries about what could

1244
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,599
happen to me

1245
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,440
with these people

1246
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,400
it's a very lonely life despite the

1247
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,359
disadvantages that come with his gift

1248
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,760
at the age of 66 her cross appears to be

1249
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,160
thriving on his career

1250
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,640
accepting less murder cases he is

1251
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:35,440
working with the government on cases

1252
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,960
that he is not at liberty to discuss

1253
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,200
advising business concerns and dealing

1254
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,599
with other areas of crime

1255
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,160
such as counterfeiting and smuggling

1256
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,559
asked if he is considering slowing down

1257
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,440
hercos said he intends to continue

1258
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,280
working with his gift

1259
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,839
and rattles off a schedule of his

1260
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,319
travels through the end of the year

1261
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,119
proclaiming that his father worked into

1262
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,640
his eighties

1263
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,920
the world's foremost psychic said

1264
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,640
i've got a lot of years left to go

1265
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,040
and let's have a quick look to see what

1266
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,400
wiki has to say peter hercos born peter

1267
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,079
van der hook

1268
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,359
on the 21st of may 1911

1269
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,400
in the netherlands died 1988 was a

1270
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,520
dutchman who allegedly manifested

1271
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,680
extra-sensory perception after

1272
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,680
recovering from a head injury and coma

1273
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,599
caused by a fall from a ladder when age

1274
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,480
30. he came to the united states in 1956

1275
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,440
for psychic experiments later becoming a

1276
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,680
professional psychic who sought clues in

1277
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,720
the manson family murders and the boston

1278
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,920
strangler case and it goes on

1279
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,280
and there's a section here called

1280
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,760
refuted claims hercos and his supporters

1281
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,599
maintained that he was a great psychic

1282
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,480
detective in 1964 attorney general

1283
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,960
edward w brooke of massachusetts said

1284
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,119
her cross had come

1285
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,800
uncannily close

1286
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,800
to describing the person suspected of

1287
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,000
the boston strangler case by 1969 he

1288
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,280
cited the successful solution of 27

1289
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,000
murder cases in 17 countries however in

1290
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,040
some cases the detectives assigned to

1291
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,200
these cases counted that hercos

1292
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,760
contributed no information unobtainable

1293
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,640
from newspapers and in some cases he had

1294
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,160
no part in the investigation whatsoever

1295
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,760
and there's more information there

1296
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:29,680
including that he appeared three times

1297
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,470
[Music]

1298
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,160
well there you go just a couple of

1299
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,000
examples of

1300
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
psychic detectives so-called psychic

1301
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:44,160
detectives being mentioned over the

1302
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,119
years

1303
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,040
in the newspaper

1304
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,440
archives in the united states

1305
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,640
and we wouldn't have to look far here

1306
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
in this country in fact on my own

1307
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,559
personal uh in my own personal archives

1308
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,400
i've got many references to so-called

1309
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,079
psychic detectives

1310
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,599
and what i can only

1311
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,280
describe is

1312
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,200
completely diluted people

1313
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,760
who go to crime scenes or near crime

1314
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,599
scenes and

1315
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,520
try to communicate with murder victims

1316
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,160
by use of spirit boxes or

1317
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:17,760
their own psychic dreams or insights or

1318
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,270
[Music]

1319
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,960
yes there's lots of information to be

1320
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,640
gleaned from the pages of digital

1321
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,799
archives because

1322
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:32,160
you never know

1323
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:53,030
[Music]

1324
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,549
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1325
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,240
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1326
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1331
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1332
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1347
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,680
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1348
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1349
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,559
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1350
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1351
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,000
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1355
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,520
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1356
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,680
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1357
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,079
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1358
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,440
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1359
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,119
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1360
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,839
of mine dr siobhan o'sullivan

1361
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,680
about the recent

1362
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,760
legislation changes here in this state

1363
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,200
new south wales

1364
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,640
to allow

1365
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,319
a sister dying

1366
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,440
a very important topic with a very

1367
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,839
wonderful person indeed dr siobhan

1368
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,079
o'sullivan look out for that

1369
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,160
but for this week with a new government

1370
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,720
here in australia starting tomorrow as

1371
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
far as i know the prime minister

1372
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,359
will step down and then leader of the

1373
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:40,079
opposition will head to uh government

1374
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,200
house

1375
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,040
in canberra

1376
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,960
and accept a commission by the governor

1377
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,040
general it's all very magical

1378
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:49,359
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1379
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:57,030
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1397
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1398
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1399
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,520
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1400
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,799
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1401
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